#92 - You Are NOT Your Trauma - Redefining Identity and Creating Lasting Healing with Jeanette Lira

I'm a firm believer of following the energy. If you have to pound on a closed door to get it to open, it's not meant for you.  Jeanette Lira

In this episode, I sit down with the inspiring Jeanette Lira—licensed professional counselor, business owner, and single mama—whose story is a powerful testament to the strength it takes to rebuild and redefine your life. From the life-changing loss of her brother to stepping out of a marriage and job that no longer served her, Jeanette shares how small, courageous decisions helped her embrace a new, authentic identity.

We dive deep into how to balance healing and growth, why failure is a necessary part of the journey, and the importance of surrounding yourself with a supportive tribe. Jeanette also shares how her heritage as a Mexican-American woman influences her mission to empower others. Plus, we talk about her journey to starting multiple successful businesses (and a few that didn’t work out!)—all while navigating motherhood and a deeply personal healing journey.

This conversation is rich with vulnerability, wisdom, and practical tools for cultivating bravery and creating a life on your terms. Whether you're at a crossroads or seeking inspiration, this one’s for you.

Where to find the amazing Jeanette Lira:

https://jeanettelira.com/

https://www.instagram.com/jeanettenlira/

https://www.facebook.com/jeanette.lira.94

https://auraviatherapy.com/

Episode Highlights

[00:01] – Welcome to the show, Jeanette Lira!
[02:03] – How Jeanette and I met: shared experiences in Fiji and our True Legacy Collective sisterhood
[03:20] – Jeanette’s story: From school counselor to entrepreneur, overcoming grief, and finding herself
[06:15] – Breaking free from chaos: How loss shifted Jeanette’s identity and became a catalyst for change
[09:33] – “Pole-dancing moms and climbing mountains”: Breaking out of societal roles and embracing self-expression
[16:05] – The power of small shifts: Focusing on survival needs like movement, sleep, and nourishment
[22:27] – Facing fears: How Jeanette started with small acts of bravery like going to the movies and concerts alone
[25:19] – Knowing when to quit: The catalyst that led Jeanette to leave her job and follow her intuition
[36:50] – “You are not your trauma”: Separating your identity from the worst things that have happened to you
[41:51] – Jeanette’s mission to empower Hispanic women and navigate dual identities
[50:52] – Final question: What is saving your life right now? Jeanette’s answer may surprise you!

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Transcript

Girl Out Of Order (00:01.037)
Welcome to the show, Jeanette Lira.

Jeanette Lira (00:03.99)
Hi, I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for inviting.

Girl Out Of Order (00:07.798)
my gosh, I already did your intro, but I wanted to just once again reaffirm how blessed I feel to have you as part of my life.

Jeanette Lira (00:19.958)
I love you so much.

Girl Out Of Order (00:22.265)
my goodness. So Jeanette and I met in Fiji. And if you've listened to the podcast for any length of time, you've heard my Fiji story. And it's so interesting because Jeanette, when we were in Fiji, I think you were always on the other side of the room. Am I remembering correctly?

Jeanette Lira (00:39.468)
I think so. I was always sitting by myself, like in like the back or in the middle because I came by myself. Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (00:46.961)
Yeah, and I can remember, like it's interesting, know, Fiji's this 10 day odyssey. If you've never been to Life and Wealth Mastery by Tony Robbins and Fiji, it's this 10 day odyssey where you do five days of life mastery, which is focusing on health and wellness. And then you do five days of wealth mastery. And I'm going to be really honest. I don't think I remember, I have any memories of you until wealth mastery.

Jeanette Lira (01:10.582)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was I've always believe it or not So I used to be this very very quiet person once upon a time and whenever I get into like a new environment or I get into a group of people that I don't know yet, I will like revert back and Observe I love to observe and so I observe I look at everybody in the room. I look at who's approachable I look at who can I create a relationship with like?

Girl Out Of Order (01:28.113)
Mmm.

Jeanette Lira (01:36.696)
who's marrying my energy and then I go in and start making friendships. It's just something that I've learned. I think a protection thing from way back when, because when you're super quiet growing up and you don't talk to people at all, and then you turn into this other person who's confident, has a voice, can speak, it's like you have to find the balance.

Girl Out Of Order (01:48.465)
Hmm

Girl Out Of Order (02:03.153)
Right. No, I love that. I love that. And what's so interesting about my relationship with this beautiful woman is I saw her again at the Own Your Worth conference by Lauren Lahav where I spoke in 2024. And I remember seeing you and I was like, you were in the wrong place. And I remember when we saw each other, we're like, oh my gosh, you you, when you have this shared experience, you just kind of like drawn together. And we, gave her a ride to the airport and I just remember having the most beautiful conversation with you.

and you had said you're joining the True Legacy Collective, our mastermind with Lauren. And I was so excited to get to know you. And I gotta be honest too, I didn't realize how much I would fall in love with you, but I truly have.

Jeanette Lira (02:37.806)
you

Jeanette Lira (02:46.791)
I love that. I'm like, love it when people fall in love with me.

Girl Out Of Order (02:50.801)
Well, you make it easy. But one of the main reasons I wanted to bring you on the podcast, Jeanette, is you are just such a beautiful example of healing from trauma and using that trauma to propel yourself to live an authentic life. And so what I'd like you to do before we dive into any conversation is just give our listeners a little bit of your background. Introduce yourself. Who the heck is Jeanette Lyra?

Jeanette Lira (02:57.046)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (03:20.125)
And I want them to know you as the human before we talk about anything with your business or where you're going with your branding. So just tell us who you are.

Jeanette Lira (03:29.998)
Absolutely. So I am a mother. I am a business owner and a friend, a daughter, all the things. But I'm also a licensed professional counselor and supervisor. So what that means is, of course, I am a therapist and I do work with individual clients to kind of help themselves get out of whatever little funks they're in because, like I tell them, I was like, we're all human and life isn't perfect.

Life is full of the ups and the downs. And the thing is, is like when you come to therapy, you're getting, you're coming to get fixed, right? But there's no fixing. There's just identifying, recognizing, and working with what we got. And so that is what I do on a regular basis, but I'm also a supervisor. So what that means is I train little baby counselors to come in and help the world. So that's a little bit about what I do and who I, not really who I am, but what I do.

and who am I? I used to be someone that is not in this little screen here and my god, I guess about 12 13 years ago now, I was very quiet. I love the nine to five job I was a school counselor in a school and it was easy, right? You come in you do your work you leave you get paid super easy pay was

like you knew when you were getting paid all the time. And if anybody is like me, the way I was back then, I needed certainty. I needed to know I was gonna pay my bills. I needed to know the money was gonna be there. And people would ask me all the time, like, are you ever gonna use your license and go out in private practice? I'm like, I don't know. Like, I never know when I get paid. I don't know how to work with insurance companies.

Girl Out Of Order (04:57.989)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (05:04.815)
Mmm.

Jeanette Lira (05:20.404)
And so it took me a little while, but the thing that kind of pushed me to the edge, you know, that like do or die moment where you're like, okay, this isn't working for me anymore. I got to do something else. My brother died suddenly. So he had bipolar disorder and he was a wild man. I always say that he had nine lives and that he just ran out of them. Like he was a wild human being, but he made everything exciting, which was wonderful.

But the moment he died, my role in my family and in myself changed completely. I always say like, I died alongside of him when they lowered him down. I went to. And then I was reborn into somebody who didn't really care for a while. I wanted to explore, I wanted to...

Girl Out Of Order (06:02.161)
Hmm.

Jeanette Lira (06:15.776)
man, set the world on fire. I was doing risky things. I was trying to figure out who I was because when you lose that part of yourself, that is so certain. I'm the caretaker. I have to make sure he's okay. I have to make sure that I'm okay. I've got to make sure that I'm the good kid because I'm the one that gets the stuff done right. When you are able to drop that and become someone completely different, that is chaos.

Girl Out Of Order (06:26.577)
Hmm.

Jeanette Lira (06:44.13)
like literal chaos inside of you. Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (06:47.473)
ask you a question, if I may. I feel like this is something that almost every woman can relate to, maybe not the loss necessarily, especially the tragic loss of your sibling, but that moment where we just say enough. I'm done. I am not another minute, not another hour, not another day. I'm done living for everybody else's expectations. And it sounds like you went through something like that, but your pendulum swung from way over here to…

Jeanette Lira (06:56.846)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (07:02.018)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (07:05.698)
This isn't Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (07:16.965)
way over here you use the word chaos, which obviously isn't probably where you wanted to stay, but it almost seems like it was a catalyst that broke you out of that constrictive box you're living in.

Jeanette Lira (07:17.708)
Whoa.

Jeanette Lira (07:27.022)
Correct. And the thing is, is that that was the first time that happened to me in life. This happened multiple times afterwards, because anytime we have a big shift in our, in our identities or our role, we graduate from college and we're becoming an adult, right?

Girl Out Of Order (07:48.667)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (07:48.878)
Um, we have a baby for the first time. That is huge because if you like me, I mean, I had my first child at 35 and my body, I mean, didn't get back to normal for like three years. I didn't know who I was.

Girl Out Of Order (08:02.545)
Mm-hmm. It messes with you, doesn't it? I had my last one at 35 and yeah, that was a trip.

Jeanette Lira (08:08.084)
Yeah, but again, like my role, my identity shifted. I went from this person to now I have to care for somebody again. I have to be a mother. I have to make sure this person doesn't die. I'm like, what? And so again, like it hits you again. But the thing is, I think the thing we have to remember is whenever we go through those moments, whenever we hit that wall and we're like, okay, this isn't working anymore. I don't feel happy. I don't feel satisfied. have this inner

Girl Out Of Order (08:18.959)
I have to eat.

Girl Out Of Order (08:33.84)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (08:37.794)
I used to feel this inner like, my gosh, energy. Like I'm searching for something, I'm looking for something and I was never satisfied until I allowed myself to challenge that belief that I had that I'm a mother, I'm a caretaker and you have to be this person in order to live that role. When I was able to challenge that and be like, well, hold on, moms can pole dance too.

Girl Out Of Order (08:45.467)
Hmm.

right.

Girl Out Of Order (09:04.017)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (09:07.466)
Why not? Therapists... Okay, I'll do that too. Therapists can, I don't know, get on social media and talk about therapy. We can say that it's a good thing. I can climb a rock that could literally kill me if I felt like it. And I can walk across Spain, right, by myself without my kid.

Girl Out Of Order (09:09.265)
Yeah, we'll get to the pole dancing for sure.

Jeanette Lira (09:33.966)
Those little things, those challenges are what helps you rebuild your new form of self.

Girl Out Of Order (09:42.725)
Let me, okay, so there's so much to unpack there. I'm trying to figure out which one I want to highlight because what I want to be careful about is, you've done some like major challenges, right? You've done like some big things and, you know, traveling to Fiji alone, walking across Spain, you've become a pole dancer, which again, we will get to, little tease there. But what I really want to ask you is when you were living in that chaos, help us understand at what point

Jeanette Lira (09:48.001)
I know.

Jeanette Lira (09:53.237)
yeah.

Jeanette Lira (10:02.114)
That's right.

Girl Out Of Order (10:12.155)
Did you, I'm assuming you made a decision to go a different way. And when you did that, what was the catalyst for you deciding chaos is no longer the way I want to live. I'm going in different direction. What changed? And if you are speaking to a woman who's living in that chaos, what would you tell her helped you get out of that?

Jeanette Lira (10:16.461)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (10:23.96)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (10:33.868)
Mm-hmm. I think it comes back to that wall again. Like once you realize this isn't working for me I was in that moment if we rewind back or fast-forward back to the moment where I became Different from being quiet in the caretaker I was partying I was drinking and it just wasn't working I wasn't productive. I wasn't

Girl Out Of Order (10:58.363)
Hmm.

Jeanette Lira (11:01.804)
doing the things that I knew that I could do. And again, that stirring kind of happened. Like there's something else, there's something more. And every time the stir happened where like you're not settled and you know something, just isn't working. I think all women have that like little sixth sense. And when it's not working and it's not serving us anymore, we might get anxious, we might struggle and sleep.

Girl Out Of Order (11:06.609)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (11:20.443)
Right.

Girl Out Of Order (11:26.737)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (11:26.936)
we might feel a little depressed or a little bit like, what's happening here? Like I don't fit in this mold anymore. In those moments, that's when you have to kind of step back and sit with yourself and ask yourself, okay, so this isn't working. What do I have to do to step out of this and step into something that does work?

Girl Out Of Order (11:39.387)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (11:53.28)
And that's a really hard question to answer by yourself. So highly recommend getting a support system, whether it's your best friend, whether it's Christine, she's amazing mentor, whether it's a therapist that you connect with, a group of women that are similar in thought process, because all of us go through this. It's just we got to...

Girl Out Of Order (12:09.007)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (12:21.538)
be brave enough to say, hey, I'm having this thing. I don't know what I feel. And I know it's just not right and I need some direction.

Girl Out Of Order (12:27.675)
Right.

Girl Out Of Order (12:31.823)
love that. And like I said at the beginning, when you and I were actually is when you and I were talking before we started recording, the three pillars of Girls Out of Order is cultivating bravery. That's the first pillar because if we're not going to cultivate that bravery, it's not like you just say, today I'm going to be brave, although that can work, but it's about cultivating it. It's about building the muscle of courage to face yourself in the mirror without that shame that can suck you under.

Jeanette Lira (12:45.422)
.

Jeanette Lira (12:53.952)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (12:59.982)
because it's not easy to be brave.

Girl Out Of Order (13:01.421)
No, no, it's not easy to be brave, but it's absolutely essential because if you're not courageous enough to look at where you are, how you got there, you're going to have a much harder time turning the ship around, right? And so for you, you decided, I'm assuming that it was over a series of days, weeks, whatever, that this is just not a lifestyle, one, that you want to sustain or two, that was going where you really wanted to go.

Jeanette Lira (13:04.504)
Mm-mm.

Jeanette Lira (13:23.874)
Hmm.

Jeanette Lira (13:30.464)
Yeah, it wasn't working. It wasn't working at all. And little did I know that I would step into another personality or another identity later on that allowed me to build businesses. But I felt like I wasn't confident in that I was seeking the wrong attention and it just wasn't working.

Girl Out Of Order (13:38.907)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (13:52.229)
Yeah. It almost sounds like you were, I always tell people that I believe everybody has a God shaped hole within them. And when we are trying to fill that God shaped hole with all these other things that just leave us still feeling that hole, we get to a point where we realize we need to follow the direction that our life is designed for. And I wanted to make sure I didn't skip over what you said because it's so powerful. And I've talked about it on this podcast so many times. It's the power of a tribe.

Jeanette Lira (13:58.85)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (14:13.037)
Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (14:22.393)
whether it's a tribe of one other person or a tribe of a collective like our TLC sisters, I am so much less prone to going back to those old patterns because I'm in this group, because I have these women in my life that are mirrors for where I know I'm supposed to go and they pull me forward. And was that instrumental for you? That's true.

Jeanette Lira (14:35.895)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (14:43.36)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And they're watching you. And they're like, didn't you say you were going to do that thing? Like, I think you even told me before we started. So how's that podcast going, Jeanette? it's not.

Girl Out Of Order (15:03.311)
didn't ask it to hold you accountable, it's true. when you speak. Yeah. And I think too, Janette and me, can speak to this. It's like, I want to make sure that women don't tune this out if they don't have like these big grand goals, like our friend Sandy said. Like I'm happy. I'm not looking to build a business. I don't know where I fit in here.

Jeanette Lira (15:05.486)
It is.

Jeanette Lira (15:21.815)
Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (15:22.693)
Hear this sisters, if you're listening, this is about your goals for you and what that looks like. So it doesn't have to be starting a podcast or starting a business or, you know, launching this, that, or the other. It can just be simply taking care of your vessel, cutting that, you know, deciding to lovingly end that relationship that is not serving you, getting rid of toxic people, pulling people back into your life that you know you need. So it can be those small shifts, but they make massive changes, don't they?

Jeanette Lira (15:32.799)
No.

Absolutely.

Jeanette Lira (15:46.507)
Absolutely.

Jeanette Lira (15:50.36)
They really do. In fact, I was talking to a client this week and I was telling them, what would happen if you actually just focused on your four survival needs? Water, food, sleep, and movement. Are you doing that? I asked them. And they said, no.

Girl Out Of Order (16:05.297)
Hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (16:09.851)
Hmm.

Jeanette Lira (16:12.366)
Well, they would be like, well, I did get six hours of sleep. I was like, is that your recommended dosage? And they were like, no. And they were like, well, I did do this. I was like, but did you do all four together? No. And I was like, if you actually took the time, and this is a simple way to start, is focusing on am I drinking my two liters or whatever it is, the recommended amount a day? Am I eating enough protein, vegetables, and grains?

Girl Out Of Order (16:30.171)
Okay,

Jeanette Lira (16:42.314)
Am I moving? Because movement we take for granted. I am in a position, like literally, that I sit on a couch all day. But I also make sure that in between every client, I get up and I go to the bathroom. People are always like, don't you have to go to the bathroom all the time? I was like, yes, that's why I go after every single hour. I don't think anybody pees that much. I do, for a reason. But.

Girl Out Of Order (16:44.517)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (16:51.084)
Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (17:05.489)
Did you guys hear that? Movement can be bowel movement.

Jeanette Lira (17:11.372)
That too. It really helps in that situation. But if we literally focused on those four things, because I know the majority of us, even me sometimes, I don't focus on that. Look, I'm drinking my Diet Dr. Pepper. Like, it's okay to have my splurges every once in a while, but I also know that I have my, this is not coffee, by the way, it's water. I have, uh-huh, I know, our Juliana.

Girl Out Of Order (17:33.873)
that's so funny. had my mug because we both had the same branding company. So I got my cute little mug too. I wish I had it with me.

Jeanette Lira (17:40.49)
Yeah, but like I have my balance. I got my soda and my water. So just reminding yourself that we don't always have to be perfect, but if we focus on those four basic things, I mean, it can make such a drastic change in our lives, which clears our brains from the chaos and allows us to be like, okay, so what is next? Let me call my girlfriend up. Let me call Christine. Let me call

Girl Out Of Order (17:54.065)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (18:09.816)
whoever and let me talk about it with them because now I have room to think about it.

Girl Out Of Order (18:10.043)
Thank

Girl Out Of Order (18:16.433)
Right. I love that. And so you found yourself at a crossroads, right? And you made some major shifts in your life, right? Tell me about, when you think about major shifts that led you to, let me ask you a little bit differently. When you think about major shifts that you made that have led you to the point where you're an entrepreneur or a single mama,

Jeanette Lira (18:18.753)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (18:25.837)
We're dead.

Girl Out Of Order (18:42.097)
and launching your personal brand, can you point to one or two major shifts? And if it's okay, if nothing comes to mind. I'm trying to read your face right now. I was like, uh-oh, I hijacked her.

Jeanette Lira (18:48.494)
Yeah.

There's so many. There's so many. I love it. Put me on the spot.

Girl Out Of Order (18:55.003)
Well, pick the top three that you know these major shifts, whether it would be ending a relationship, beginning a relationship, start, you know, leaving a job. Like what major shifts changed your identity direction?

Jeanette Lira (19:09.142)
Mm-hmm. I think like I said life is ongoing and we're always molding into something else. However at the beginning one of my major shifts was a divorce. I was married to a man and we actually got married maybe less than a month after my brother died. So it's something that we probably shouldn't do and we are friends today.

Girl Out Of Order (19:21.617)
Mmm.

Girl Out Of Order (19:30.673)
Mmm.

Jeanette Lira (19:35.47)
and we recognized that somebody should have intervened there. And nobody intervened for us. So somebody had to, and I was the one brave enough to say, I'm done. And I literally gave him no choice. I went on a Friday to the lawyer. I asked for the paperwork. He was served. He wanted to talk. I said, I can't do this anymore. And I needed to heal.

Girl Out Of Order (20:01.222)
Hmm.

Jeanette Lira (20:05.206)
and he didn't know how to help me heal. So that was a big shift. And he will tell you, like he went years hating me. And then one day, I want to say five years later, he was like, he called me up and he was like, I just want you to know that I'm not mad at you anymore. I'm like, okay, cool. Cool. But that was a really big shift. And then another big one. And like I said, like you said earlier, people don't have these

Girl Out Of Order (20:08.292)
Hmm, that's powerful.

Girl Out Of Order (20:23.825)
Okay, good.

Jeanette Lira (20:35.052)
don't have to have these huge shifts like I do or take these big risks like I do. Because at the beginning, literally went at the risk that I did, Christine, was go to a movie by myself. I went to a movie alone because I had never done anything alone before. Another one that I did before I did all these big crazy things was to go to a bar by myself and just

Girl Out Of Order (20:45.817)
Mmm.

Jeanette Lira (20:59.522)
to people and go without friends for protection. I needed to grow that piece of me to be comfortable talking to people. Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (21:06.833)
Okay, can you pause for just a second? I'm feeling emotions stirring in me because I want the woman to hear this, that is going through, maybe you're going through your own divorce, maybe you're transitioning in a job. Did you hear the baby steps that this beautiful woman took? She didn't go out and just start her business. Like, it's not like she went from zero to a hundred. She went to the movies by herself. And when we talk about cultivating bravery, it can be something so

small, that seems small, but is actually a catalyst for a bigger shift because what you're doing is you're saying, hello, Jeanette, there you are. You got this. You are complete in and of yourself. You don't need anybody else to make you whole. Let's go see a movie. It makes me emotional.

Jeanette Lira (21:38.072)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (21:41.688)
huge.

Jeanette Lira (21:49.838)
Thank

Jeanette Lira (21:58.644)
Yeah, I did a lot of that before I went crazy. Well, actually, I think it was after I'm not sure. But I did a lot of just like little experiments like that. I went to a concert by myself. And the beauty is every time I would do these things by myself, except for the movies, because people really don't talk there, I would run into people or create friendships with people. And then I continue to do it. And then I'd have these people that were more encouraging, again, building a tribe.

Girl Out Of Order (22:17.713)
You

Jeanette Lira (22:27.918)
they would encourage me to do more. Like at the concert, was a huge, it was Chris Stapleton. And I was like, I am going, I'm sitting up front. So I went and I sat up front, but there was only one ticket because of course not a lot of people can afford those upfront tickets. I couldn't afford those upfront tickets, but I was like, I'm going to do it. And so I went by myself. I took an Uber and I enjoyed it. I made friends with the people in front of me and behind me.

And then before I left, which was a blessing, I ran into somebody that I actually knew because I would have been like stranded there because if you go to a concert in an Uber and you try to take an Uber back home, like it's just, no. So I was blessed to be able to run into people that knew me, that took me home. Yeah. No, I didn't because I don't go to concerts by myself.

Girl Out Of Order (23:00.145)
Hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (23:06.767)
Yeah, not so good.

Girl Out Of Order (23:15.729)
geez. Didn't think about that one, did you?

do you do now?

Jeanette Lira (23:24.626)
I do. But like those are little things that I did and I just want to make that, put that out there because I did not climb a mountain first. I did not climb a pole first. I did little things to get there during, after that first catalyst of divorce. So the next big thing though is huge and a lot of people are scared of this and I was terrified of this. I quit my job.

Girl Out Of Order (23:45.637)
Right.

Girl Out Of Order (23:52.709)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Jeanette Lira (23:55.454)
I said, this isn't working. And I just did an article recently, I think with Authority Magazine, and I talk about the whole story. But I almost got fired from my job. I got called into the principal's office. I know. I know. So at that moment, like that was the catalyst there to be like, okay, Jeanette, you're not supposed to be here.

Girl Out Of Order (24:09.999)
Nobody wants to get called into the principal's office. I don't care how old you are. Nobody wants that.

Jeanette Lira (24:23.892)
If people are questioning what you're doing on social media because they're not comfortable seeing you in a sparkly tiny little dress, then that's your move. Like you can stay there and be someone that they don't want you to be. They told me to take down photos from my social media that parents weren't happy with. I refused. Yeah, I was a little like, what?

Girl Out Of Order (24:45.402)
my, that had to hurt.

Jeanette Lira (24:49.972)
But I was also like, my daddy likes those photos and I worked really hard to look that great. So, mm-mm. I'm like, mm-mm, not happening. So I took that moment and I remember coming back and turning in my resignation and they were like, don't let this make you quit. And I was like, it's not this. It's just, I'm not supposed to be here. And I talk about a lot with my clients. I am a firm believer of following energy.

Girl Out Of Order (24:50.289)
Hahaha

Girl Out Of Order (24:54.993)
Boom!

Girl Out Of Order (25:09.605)
Hmm.

Jeanette Lira (25:19.296)
in the world and when doors close on you like that, it's time to walk through them and go to another door. A lot of us tend to pound on the doors, whether it's divorce, whether it's quitting your job, whether it's something else, we like to pound on the doors to make it work. But the thing is, is that if it closes, it's not meant for us.

Girl Out Of Order (25:35.28)
Hmm

Girl Out Of Order (25:42.513)
Okay, that is, I mean, you just said I have these things I do called empowereds. You literally just said are empowereds. If you pound on the door trying to get in, you said it much better than thank God I'm going have a transcript. You pound on the door trying to get in, but if it closes, it was never meant for you. I just love that and following the energy. That is so powerful. So you quit your job, you move back home. Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (26:05.814)
Yeah, the energy was telling me get out. So I did. I was living by myself in an apartment, but through quitting my job, I had an idea like the business. I was like, I've got a license. I'm a counselor. I can do this. And so I googled how to start a business. And it was born.

Girl Out Of Order (26:17.861)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (26:26.181)
Did you people hear that? She Googled how to start a business. Like it's not like she went and got a PhD or an MBA. She Googled how to start a business.

Jeanette Lira (26:33.696)
I have nothing. Yeah, I knew nothing. I knew nothing. I even at the beginning hired like one of those online teams to create my first LLC until a friend of mine was like, girl, you can do that by yourself. And I was like, what? Okay. And so for the next ones, I did them by myself. now I freely, literally freely, if somebody asks, hey, Jeanette, can you teach me how to start a business?

I take the time and set up the call and I walk them through step by step how to do it by themselves to empower them. Because we don't need help with some things, but we do need help with other things.

Girl Out Of Order (27:07.099)
Yes.

Girl Out Of Order (27:12.645)
Right, right. So you start this business, you take this chance. How long after you started? Because the first one you started up, and I'm going to say it wrong, Arruvia? darn it. I say it wrong every time. Arravia, is that the first one that you started?

Jeanette Lira (27:22.176)
Aravia. Yeah, that's okay. It's a made up word. Yes, so before it was Aravia, it was positive soul holistic therapy. And I actually, because I googled a business, didn't know things about trademarks and registrations. And there was a lovely marriage and family therapist out in California that trademarked the words positive soul.

Girl Out Of Order (27:40.497)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (27:49.462)
and pretty much told me to cease and assist. And I was like, my God, I don't have money for a lawsuit. Yeah, so I mean, I learned and Googled and figured it out. And even to today, I mean, I have a lot more advisors. I mean, you and your other role as a lawyer, I know you've helped me a lot of other times. But now I have a community to ask these questions and search for help.

Girl Out Of Order (27:49.979)
easy.

Yes, DC can assist. Yep.

Girl Out Of Order (28:00.59)
Wow.

Girl Out Of Order (28:11.761)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (28:19.183)
I love that. So how long after you started your first business did you become a mama?

Jeanette Lira (28:24.878)
Hmm right away Yeah, not planned Because I was still well I was still exploring dating and figuring all that stuff out and I didn't realize that dating sites don't work until recently But I actually was dating my son's dad and that one was actually more long-term

Girl Out Of Order (28:27.594)
no, you did them both at the same time?

Girl Out Of Order (28:45.925)
Nope.

Jeanette Lira (28:52.45)
We were about three months in and surprise, and we were actually about to break up and go our separate ways, but it just turned out that I actually didn't think I could get pregnant because I tried when I was married. And it was just a big surprise from a bunch of different ways. And that was like, I want to say within the first year of my business.

Girl Out Of Order (28:57.265)
Mmm.

Girl Out Of Order (29:06.193)
Hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (29:12.805)
Wow.

Girl Out Of Order (29:21.605)
Wow, that's a lot. That's a lot to have happen at once.

Jeanette Lira (29:22.307)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (29:25.708)
Yeah, I remember the feelings of going crazy. I didn't.

Girl Out Of Order (29:29.339)
But you didn't go crazy because obviously you're very successful now and you have how many businesses do you have now?

Jeanette Lira (29:35.914)
I currently have three. I have Positive Soul, which is now Aravia, because I trademarked Aravia and now I use it as a DBA. So I have that. And then we have Lumevia, which is like professional development for mental health professionals. But we also do credentialing and billing for them, because again, nobody teaches a therapist how to credential and bill with insurances or how to market or how to build a business.

Girl Out Of Order (29:52.998)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (30:02.552)
So that's what LUMVIA is for, to empower the therapists to grow and create their professional identity. And then after realizing that I inspire people, I created JeanetteLita.com, JeanetteLita LLC. I wasn't sure what I was gonna do with that. I still don't. That one's my business that brings in no money. It's just lovely and sits there and...

It's beautiful. I mean, we had a beautiful brand made with my little. Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (30:33.847)
Yeah. I can't believe I didn't think to have my mug too. And this is where Jenna and I, we, where we, I was going to say collide, but that's not the right visual, where we align so much. We're both creating our personal brands and we're both trying to figure out what does that look like in the world, but we have such a similar approach to helping women. And for that, I just see our friendship forever because

Jeanette Lira (30:43.733)
No.

Jeanette Lira (30:51.958)
Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (31:01.157)
We both have a really deep passion to help women embrace their unique identities and stop contorting themselves to fit the mold of the school counselor. Or for me, you know, the lawyer, I was a stay at home mom for 10 years. And then I went back as a part-time mom. And then I became a full-time working mom, starting a firm with somebody else. Then I launched my own business. And now I'm in that same space of like, I've created this beautiful brand with incredible pictures. And now what?

Jeanette Lira (31:05.422)
Thank

Jeanette Lira (31:15.436)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (31:22.85)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (31:26.53)
What's next?

What's next? And you know what, Christine, doing my own, I am a therapist, but I do therapy myself and I go to therapy, right? And doing some of my own work, I recognize why it's so hard for me to define the personal brand. And a lot of it goes back to those old beliefs that I'm not good enough, that nobody's gonna listen to me.

Girl Out Of Order (31:46.097)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (31:50.789)
Mmm.

Jeanette Lira (31:53.343)
that I don't have the knowledge to be successful here, even though I have two other successful businesses. I mean, one makes over a million a year. I don't yet, but I will. But you know, but like, a lot of those insecurities come back like that imposter syndrome kind of thing. And I was hiding behind businesses and Jeanette Lida is the chance for me and Christina.

Girl Out Of Order (32:05.073)
You will.

Girl Out Of Order (32:12.881)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (32:20.302)
Christine Gale is the chance for you to step in front of it and be like, no, here world, hey, I exist, I'm here, I have a lot of knowledge, I have a lot of insight, I do inspire many, so let me inspire myself by stepping up front and figuring it out. And I think the personal brand was something, I had no idea what it was about until I figured that out. And then,

Girl Out Of Order (32:22.577)
Thank

Girl Out Of Order (32:31.665)
We're here.

Jeanette Lira (32:47.406)
I was like, okay, so I'm gonna continue to heal, because we all are a continuous cycle of healing. It never just ends. People come in, they're like, I'm here to fix myself. I was like, lovely, you'll be here forever because we always need us. Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (32:53.999)
Right.

Girl Out Of Order (33:00.997)
Yes. Right. Exactly. And it's so interesting that you brought up the whole counseling piece as it dovetails with this personal brands that we're creating because I restarted counseling about maybe four months ago. I hadn't done counseling since 2018 and I've restarted marriage counseling with my husband and we hadn't done marriage counseling since probably 2018 or 19.

Jeanette Lira (33:17.09)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (33:26.049)
Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (33:26.403)
And it's interesting how I never thought about that, how you bring this up like I feel like this personal brand for me. You're right. It might be the next step in the healing and the next step in the unleashing. Because I think you and I are both similarly in our stages of life where we're reclaiming our bodies. We're reclaiming our sexuality. We're reclaiming our sensuality. We're reclaiming our mission. We're reclaiming our inspiration. We're reclaiming our vision for what's next.

Jeanette Lira (33:35.554)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (33:43.819)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (33:52.034)
Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (33:53.581)
And I want the listeners to hear again, when we say this, it doesn't mean it has to look like Jeanette Lida or Christine Gale. You know, I never, I'm going to be really honest with you, Jeanette, it's probably something you don't know about me. I never wanted to own a business. I never wanted to be an entrepreneur. I was so like you, like clinging to security. Like I want that paycheck. And even now, like Sean wants to start business. I'm like, yeah, but just make sure you keep your paycheck because I'm not ready to have.

Jeanette Lira (34:01.57)
Mm-mm.

Jeanette Lira (34:09.207)
Me either.

Jeanette Lira (34:15.79)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (34:22.109)
all the insecurity, but it's not insecurity. It's variety and uncertainty, but that's where the spice of life comes. And so when you think about healing yourself as you build what's next, what would you say to the woman who's like, okay, I'm in counseling and I'm so knee deep in the healing. How do I get to the point where I have a vision for what's next? Like, how do I get out of this cycle of just heal, heal, heal to

Jeanette Lira (34:25.216)
It's just scary. Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (34:46.659)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (34:51.707)
grow and heal.

Jeanette Lira (34:53.708)
Yeah, that's where the next piece steps in. So like there's therapy, right? Where you can figure out all the pieces and put the pieces back together. Be like, well this is why. And all these things like, I have problems there. Why do I have problems there? because of that. A long time ago that happened. That's why I have problems there. So therapy is a lot of like putting together the pieces and helping you understand yourself and who you are based on what has happened in life.

And it can also help you heal the trauma or the behaviors, beliefs, thoughts that come from trauma that a lot of times what I've found in traumatic situations, even with my own, I have many, not just the loss of my brother. I think we all do. But with all that trauma, I became it. I owned it. Like I am broken because my brother died.

Girl Out Of Order (35:27.921)
Hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (35:40.049)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (35:49.009)
and

Jeanette Lira (35:51.456)
At that point, that's what I thought I had to do until I went through the therapy to understand that I am not broken. This is a thing that happened. It was tragic. It was horrible. I wish it didn't happen, but it did. And I don't have to be that. I don't have to become my trauma to get sympathy to... I don't even think I was looking for the sympathy. just think internally, it was activated.

Girl Out Of Order (35:54.929)
Yeah

Jeanette Lira (36:21.39)
It wasn't something I was seeking on purpose, but it wasn't until I realized that I don't have to be my trauma. I don't have to own it. I don't have to become it. I can be something else and that bad thing still happened. I'm like, when we let that go and we detach from the bad things that happened to us, we are able to take that next step. And that's the first step in figuring out. Go to a therapist, figure it out.

Girl Out Of Order (36:22.128)
Yeah.

Girl Out Of Order (36:36.017)
Mmm. Mmm.

Jeanette Lira (36:50.56)
It's really hard to find a good therapist. I mean, shop around if you need to. But that's just the first step. The next step to creating the vision, creating the plan after I have all the what happened and how did I get there and why do I do this thing, then it's time for coaching.

then it's time to get a mentor. Then it's time to be like, okay, I know this stuff about myself. I need a plan. I need action. need accountability. I need the kick in the butt, like Lauren says, and I need to move forward, but I don't know how.

Girl Out Of Order (37:26.009)
right. Can I pull back the curtain a little bit on something you've said? Because it's so powerful and I don't want it to, I want to highlight it. I don't think there's anything that you are saying that could get missed and I hope people will listen to this again and again because she's dropping so many wisdom bombs. But what you said is so important. I want to break it down or just bring it down to a really granular level. You are not the worst thing that's ever happened to you. And you are not the worst thing that you've ever done. We are not

Jeanette Lira (37:29.41)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (37:48.142)
Mm-hmm. No.

Girl Out Of Order (37:55.087)
what's happened to us and we are not what we've done. We get to rewrite our story. We get to reinvent ourselves. We get to create our identities. Damn it. We are the author of our lives. This woman is sitting before you as the most incredible, one of the most incredible examples of a woman who could have been broken by life circumstances, but made a decision in that moment to say, I'm taking back the control over my life. I am not letting my circumstances define me and I am going to invent

Jeanette Lira (38:04.994)
Yes, ma'am.

Jeanette Lira (38:24.654)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (38:24.945)
create, live into, and manifest the life of my dreams. And that's what I've been watching unfold in you. And so hear that, get the help you need to understand the motivations, but don't stay there. And I, all the thing I wanted to say with your second step is when you said get coaching or mentoring, what I don't want women to hear is be like, you've got to go out and hire some expensive coach. You have the ability to do that, great, but get a tribe, get a mentor.

Jeanette Lira (38:28.844)
Yes ma'am.

Jeanette Lira (38:37.677)
No.

Girl Out Of Order (38:50.585)
Find a woman at church who's older and wiser and is living a life you admire. Get around people and bring them into your orbit that fuel your growth. you know, I sat down with Lauren in Fiji around the, were you in the, you were in the Kava Circle. my gosh, you were in the Kava Circle.

Jeanette Lira (38:57.516)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (39:07.722)
I was. I joined your kava circle. I like pushed myself in.

Girl Out Of Order (39:12.721)
I can literally see it in my mind's eye when you sat down. Okay, so Kava's this drink from Fiji and I won't take any time to explain that, but we were all kind of sitting around Lauren LeHavre, like sort of finally getting to talk to her after 10 days. And I had said to her, I just want to learn from you. And I remember at the time, like not feeling like she was really like interested. And now here she is, one of my close friends and my mentor and my guide. And it's because I made a decision. Made a decision.

Jeanette Lira (39:25.548)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (39:32.438)
Yeah!

Jeanette Lira (39:37.646)
Cushiness. Yeah.

Absolutely. Just like I made a decision, like y'all were all up in your circle, like doing your thing, and I was like, hey, what's happening over there? And I just like mosey myself on over. It's just, I did.

Girl Out Of Order (39:51.851)
sat right next to me, didn't you? Because I kind of remember you sitting down and be like, well, she's going to sit right on me.

Jeanette Lira (39:56.012)
Well, the circle was closed. The circle was closed. It was you, her, and like two or three other people. And I was like, hmm, I gotta get up in this. And so I literally like put my hand on your shoulder and like, boop, and jiggled my way in. I'm glad I did.

Girl Out Of Order (40:08.721)
Okay, so what a beautiful metaphor. Did you hear what she said? She said, the circle was closed, but I knew I belonged, so I just jiggled my way in.

Jeanette Lira (40:21.23)
I literally did.

Girl Out Of Order (40:24.625)
And it wasn't that the circle wasn't welcoming to you, but you could have made a decision in that moment because it was quote unquote close. You could have said, well, it's not for me. What I want our listeners to hear when you hear Jeanette's story is you get to decide of this for you.

Jeanette Lira (40:27.534)
No.

Jeanette Lira (40:33.761)
Absolutely.

Jeanette Lira (40:39.104)
Yeah, and going back, like the circle was closed, but the door wasn't closed. There's a different energy that was in that circle. I knew you, I knew your loving heart. I knew Lauren's loving heart. I knew the people in that circle were loving, accepting, and open. And so instead of going back to that wounded little child of me and being like, nobody likes me. can't, I don't belong anywhere. I was just like, hmm, I want to be in there.

Girl Out Of Order (40:43.161)
Right.

Girl Out Of Order (41:03.238)
And that's the outgrowth of the work that you've done.

Jeanette Lira (41:05.518)
Yeah, speak, yeah, the old version of me would have stood by myself in the corner.

Girl Out Of Order (41:11.345)
Well, I am so glad that the new version of you is here. And before we start wrapping up, I wanted to particularly highlight something in your journey because as we talked before we hopped on, the third pillar of Girl on the Border is building bridges among all women, no matter how different they are from one another. And I know something that you shared in one of your recent articles was just how proud you are to be a changemaker in Hispanic women's communities. So I wanted you just to share

Jeanette Lira (41:25.976)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (41:40.739)
a little bit with our community, what that means to you, how that fuels your mission and the changes that you see you're uniquely making because of your approach, your identity. Just go ahead and share a little bit about that part of your journey.

Jeanette Lira (41:51.81)
Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot that kind of goes into all of that. But the most, I guess the biggest thing I can say is that I have to give that to my parents. From the beginning, my dad came from Mexico. He was an immigrant. He only spoke Spanish. My mother, Cotton in Victoria, Texas, and only spoke Spanish. They were in school and got punished for speaking Spanish and not speaking English.

Girl Out Of Order (42:16.528)
Hmm.

Jeanette Lira (42:22.56)
when I first started school, they put me in a bilingual class and I did not even know Spanish. I think a lot of the world, even now, like don't watch administration stuff, I don't watch president stuff, I don't, I live in my own bubble because I refuse to allow what's happening around me to affect me in a negative way because

They are saying all these things like sending us back to Mexico and all the stuff. But you know what? They've been saying that forever. They've been saying it forever. And I mean, we're still here. And I think a lot of me and owning that Hispanic powerful identity of mine, even though I do not speak Spanish, I do speak a little Spanglish. I'm not really good at it, but in the DR, I I got got by with that in Google.

Girl Out Of Order (43:14.769)
You were really helpful in the DR, because we were kind of like, whoo!

Jeanette Lira (43:15.63)
Yeah, but I'm not from Mexico and I'm and I'm American and It's really hard to be Mexican American in the United States because we don't fit in in either place and we're kind of like in the middle and so a lot of my Transformation and becoming who I am today

is to let people know that we don't have to live by the stigma or by what people say or what people believe. We don't have to buy into all of that. We can just be. Like I choose to live in a bubble. I never know what's happening in the world and that's probably not a good thing, but for me it is. And I don't care what people think about it. Do I vote? Yes. Do I know those things? Yes, but only because people tell me about

them and then I make my own decisions and go with that. But I've never been one to follow the rules, Christine. I mean, you've probably seen that. I it's just I do where do whatever feels right and I go wherever the wind blows. yeah, I mean, there's been challenges and just being a female trying to start a business, not just that I'm a Hispanic female, but

Girl Out Of Order (44:18.115)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (44:38.72)
as just a female. It's just, it's hard sometimes until you tell yourself it's not and it shouldn't be and then you put that step, you put that foot forward and step forward and tell yourself, shoot, if they can do it, why can't I?

Girl Out Of Order (44:53.325)
Absolutely. And you know, I know you and I both just completed interviews for Authority Magazine, right? When you said it took seven hours, you were not kidding. I can't tell you how much time I spent on this article and it was about navigating the challenges as being a right. When I said, sure, I'll do it. I had no idea. But it's navigating the challenges of being a powerful woman and how it affects your life, you know, your personal and professional lives. And you're right. There's, as I started to really pull it apart and think about in my life, all of the ways

Jeanette Lira (44:58.466)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (45:05.602)
whole freaking day.

Girl Out Of Order (45:23.311)
that being a female in business and being a strong, powerful female, how much society resists that, even if it's unconscious. I tell the story in my interview about the time when this old man attorney was screaming in my face in front of the bench, in front of the judge, all men everywhere, screaming in my face, called me a crybaby and then said, I'll know more about the law than you'll ever know. And I looked to the judge and I was like, your honor, could you please admonish counsel? And the judge,

Jeanette Lira (45:32.137)
yeah.

Jeanette Lira (45:42.54)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (45:52.269)
who is a wonderful man, did not mean it to be demeaning, but he said, apologize to the young lady. And I was like, no, but young lady, I'm not a young lady. I am a badass attorney who belongs in this spot. But it's like, even those subconscious biases, I'm sure that you've experienced not just as a woman, but as a Hispanic woman, even if somebody isn't overt about it, right?

Jeanette Lira (45:58.766)
Good. Good. I'm a freaking lawyer.

Jeanette Lira (46:13.517)
the end.

Jeanette Lira (46:17.76)
Mm-hmm. I think I experienced it a lot more growing up than I choose to acknowledge maybe now. I don't pay attention to any of that. I think even I posted myself on a poll doing a pole dance and some random person that I don't even know was like,

Girl Out Of Order (46:26.16)
Hmm.

Jeanette Lira (46:35.852)
what are you trying to do? Like, what's the purpose behind this? And I was like, too empowered to tell people that they can be a woman, dance on a pole, and it's not shameful, and it's beautiful, and you can own your own femininity that way. And I just went off and I was just like, screw you.

Girl Out Of Order (46:54.735)
Yeah. And I, yeah, as we wrap up too, I'm just like, I hate even wrapping up this conversation because I could, we could talk forever. I'm so excited that we get to spend time in Vegas, so we'll have lots of time to talk coming up. But I wanted to, first of all, honor you for being an example of authenticity, for being an inspiration to women that you can get pregnant and it doesn't have to derail your dreams.

Jeanette Lira (47:06.072)
Coming up.

Jeanette Lira (47:22.443)
No.

Girl Out Of Order (47:23.287)
You are an example of somebody who has navigated just searing trauma and loss and made a decision to go a different direction, but you didn't do it in a vacuum. You sought the help. You invested in yourself. You got around people. You opened up a circle and you jiggled your way in because you understand your worth, your value, your calling, your equipping, and you're here to make a difference. And you're doing just that. And I'm so grateful.

Jeanette Lira (47:35.502)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (47:48.856)
Yeah.

Jeanette Lira (47:52.884)
Yes, and I'm just glad that I was able to open my eyes and to be able to see that there's another way because there's always another way. And I think we forget that we get so blinded by that we have to fit this box and it's you don't. There's always another way. I have women that come to me like, I can't quit my job yet and do private practice because I want to get pregnant and I want to do this thing. I was like, honey,

I got pregnant during my first year and I walked around that office with breast pumps and I brought my kid and I did telehealth and had the baby here. Like I made it work because when you have a desire and even if you don't know what the desire is yet because a lot of us don't, but when you have that desire, that calling, that's something inside of you that's like this isn't working and there's something more. And I guarantee you every single

Girl Out Of Order (48:38.673)
Mmm.

Jeanette Lira (48:49.646)
and the world has it. It's just, do you have the bravery? Do you have the courage to open it up and figure out what it is, put together the pieces, and then create the plan to move forward? And I was not always successful in creating these plans. I have failed a gazillion times. I made an app, spent thousands of dollars on it. It didn't work. I threw it in the trash. I created

Girl Out Of Order (49:02.245)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (49:18.57)
another business, it didn't work for me, I'm selling it. I mean, it's little things that it doesn't always work, but we can't use that against ourselves either and say, I failed. You're right. I'm not good enough. No, that's not it. It's having to sit with it and be like, where did I go wrong? And what can I do to fix it so it doesn't happen again? It's just, I'm just grateful that I could open my eyes and

Girl Out Of Order (49:28.762)
Mm-hmm.

Girl Out Of Order (49:41.873)
percent.

Jeanette Lira (49:49.142)
All of us can. It's just when are you ready to do it and who is going to be in that support circle while you do it because you do need support.

Girl Out Of Order (49:56.717)
Mm-hmm. Right. A thousand percent. I love that. And I think the important thing about what you said is it's not about being a failure. It's about failing forward. Our friend, Marisa, in our mastermind says, you have to fail. Failing is part of the growing, so you fail forward. And it's the failing, and it's about how we talk about it, how we frame it, and then how we rise from it, which is your brand symbols and our minds of Phoenix.

Jeanette Lira (50:13.4)
I fail all the time.

Jeanette Lira (50:21.141)
Exactly.

Girl Out Of Order (50:25.591)
And we both have so much symbolism there that we'll have to dive into another conversation. But I have one last question for you. And I've been asking it from all my guests, and I've shamelessly ripped it off from a podcaster that I listen to. Her name is Jen Hatmaker. It's a question from Barbara Brown Taylor, a poet. And you can answer it any way you want. It can be funny. It can be serious. But don't think, just answer. So the question is, what is saving your life right now?

Jeanette Lira (50:28.897)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (50:42.254)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (50:52.258)
Me.

Girl Out Of Order (50:54.033)
Perfect. Perfect. And that's like the best way to end our interview because you are authentically you. And I'm so thankful you're in my life.

Jeanette Lira (50:56.545)
Me.

Jeanette Lira (50:59.864)
Mm-hmm.

Jeanette Lira (51:06.542)
I'm thankful for you too.

Girl Out Of Order (51:08.505)
Yay. Okay. Well, thank you for being here. I hope you guys were inspired. Jeanette is a powerhouse and you just keep an eye on her because she's going to continue to do great things. Thank you, Jeanette.

Jeanette Lira (51:17.123)
Mm-hmm.

Thank you, Christine.